{"id":2764,"date":"2024-09-08T20:52:45","date_gmt":"2024-09-08T18:52:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/editorialflaneur.cat.mialias.net\/?p=2764"},"modified":"2024-09-08T21:49:04","modified_gmt":"2024-09-08T19:49:04","slug":"una-conversa-amb-w-g-sebald","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.editorialflaneur.cat\/ca\/una-conversa-amb-w-g-sebald\/","title":{"rendered":"Una conversa amb W. G. Sebald"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>JOSEPH CUOMO<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Edici\u00f3 de Lynne Sharon Schwartz. Seven Stories Press. Traducci\u00f3 de David Cusc\u00f3 i Escudero<\/p>\n<p><strong>Joseph Cuomo:<\/strong> <em>Aparentment, si m\u00e9s no, Die Ringe des Saturn [Els anells de Saturn] \u00e9s un viatge a peu per la costa est d\u2019Anglaterra. Ara b\u00e9, mentre camina, contempla un paisatge des d\u2019un tur\u00f3 o seu al llit en una habitaci\u00f3 d\u2019hotel, la consci\u00e8ncia del narrador es veu assaltada per tot d\u2019al\u00b7lusions i d\u2019observacions. I, aix\u00ed, els lectors tamb\u00e9 hi trobem una gran quantitat de coses, des de les obres de Sir Thomas Browne fins a Joseph Conrad, Borges, Swindburne i la vida de l\u2019emperadriu Dowager. Aix\u00f2, que \u00e9s una descripci\u00f3 fidel d\u2019aquest llibre, no acaba de revelar el que fa realment, el que aconsegueix. I crec que una de les dificultats que trobem a l\u2019hora de descriure\u2019l \u00e9s que sembla que hi hagis reinventat la forma narrativa. De fet, el fil narratiu de la novel\u00b7la \u00e9s com si fos virtualment invisible, tant que no en som conscients mentre llegim. Aparentment no hi ha cap mecanisme artificial, cap construcci\u00f3 intermedi\u00e0ria entre el lector i l\u2019experi\u00e8ncia de la p\u00e0gina. Un amic meu \u2014un escriptor molt bo\u2014 em va dir que tan bon punt va haver llegit <\/em>Die Ringe des Saturn [Els anells de Saturn]<em> va tornar a comen\u00e7ar des del principi perqu\u00e8 no era capa\u00e7 de desxifrar qu\u00e8 li acabava de passar, no era capa\u00e7 de saber com havia passat. M\u2019agradaria saber de quina manera vas enfocar la forma narrativa quan vas escriure aquesta obra. Podr\u00edem dir que l\u2019estructura hi era una eina per a expressar en gran part les associacions inconscients que fas durant el proc\u00e9s d\u2019escriptura? O ja l\u2019havies tra\u00e7ada intencionadament abans?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sebald:<\/strong> No recordo gaire com va anar. Tenia la idea d\u2019escriure uns quants articles per a diaris alemanys i aix\u00ed poder pagar-me el luxe d\u2019estar quinze dies fent excursionisme. Aquest era el pla. Per\u00f2, \u00e9s clar, mentre camines, trobes coses. Crec que aquesta \u00e9s la gr\u00e0cia de caminar. \u00c9s una de les raons per les quals m\u2019hi dedico molt. Trobes coses a la vora del cam\u00ed, o en un museu diminut compres un fullet \u2014que mai no trobaries a Londres\u2014 escrit per un historiador local. I en aquest fullet hi descobreixes detalls curiosos que et condueixen a una altra cosa; \u00e9s una manera de cercar sense m\u00e8tode, la qual cosa per a un acad\u00e8mic \u00e9s, de ben segur, molt lluny de l\u2019ortod\u00f2xia, perqu\u00e8 se suposa que hem d\u2019actuar sistem\u00e0ticament. Ara b\u00e9, mai no m\u2019ha agradat fer les coses sistem\u00e0ticament. No ho vaig fer ni en la meva investigaci\u00f3 per al doctorat, que vaig completar d\u2019una manera aleat\u00f2ria i capriciosa. Com m\u00e9s m\u2019hi posava, m\u00e9s vaig entendre que, en realitat, l\u2019\u00fanica manera de trobar res \u00e9s aix\u00ed, com un gos que corre pel camp. Si t\u2019hi fixes, veus que segueix el seu olfacte, que es mou d\u2019una manera del tot impredictible. I invariablement troba el que cerca. Com que sempre he tingut gossos, he acabat aprenent d\u2019ells. Doncs b\u00e9, d\u2019aquesta manera reculls i acumules una petita quantitat de material que va creixent, i una cosa porta a l\u2019altra, i de tot aquest material acumulat de manera capriciosa en fas alguna cosa. I, com que han estat aplegades 20 monogr\u00e0fic a l\u2019atzar, has d\u2019esfor\u00e7ar la imaginaci\u00f3 per tal de crear una connexi\u00f3 entre aquestes coses. Si cerques coses que s\u00f3n com les que ja has cercat anteriorment, aleshores, \u00e9s clar, hi haur\u00e0 una connexi\u00f3 entre elles. Ara b\u00e9, estaran connectades d\u2019una manera \u00f2bvia, cosa que, de fet, si volem escriure quelcom que sigui nou, no \u00e9s gaire productiu. Cal que ens prove\u00efm de materials heterogenis i aix\u00ed engrescarem la ment per a fer quelcom que no s\u2019hagi fet abans. Jo ho veig aix\u00ed. A partir d\u2019aqu\u00ed, \u00e9s clar, la curiositat treu el millor de tu mateix. Per exemple, a Occident en sabem molt poc de l\u2019espantosa Guerra civil xinesa del segle xix \u2014jo no en sabia res\u2014, i en un llibret molt petit escrit, crec, al 1948, i que encara es ven, hi vaig llegir que un tren local petit que voltava pel riu Blyth, a Anglaterra, estava destinat, origin\u00e0riament, a la cort de l\u2019emperador de la Xina. Es tracta d\u2019un fet \u00fanic, impensable. I aleshores, \u00e9s clar, vols saber de quin emperador es tracta, i consultes l\u2019<em>Enciclop\u00e8dia Brit\u00e0nica<\/em> de 1911 i hi furgues, i la cosa continua. Aquesta \u00e9s la part m\u00e9s plaent de la feina: descobrir aquestes coses i moure\u2019ns d\u2019una cosa admirable a l\u2019altra. El fet d\u2019escriure, \u00e9s clar, \u00e9s una altra hist\u00f2ria. Es tracta d\u2019una ocupaci\u00f3 ben poc agradable.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cuomo:<\/strong> <em>Aquest proc\u00e9s de descoberta \u2014el gos que corre pel camp\u2014, et passa quan escrius?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sebald:<\/strong> De tant en tant. Crec que quan escrius hi ha vegades que gaireb\u00e9 saps que vas pel bon cam\u00ed. No t\u2019ho acabes de creure gaire, per\u00f2 et sents m\u00e9s optimista sobre el que fas que en altres ocasions, i penso que aquesta sensaci\u00f3 es referma quan les coses v\u00e9nen soles. Seus, escrius, mires de desentortolligar una p\u00e0gina&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>I quan arriba aquest moment, hi ha citacions o figures o coses en qu\u00e8 no havies pensat durant divuit anys que ara tot d\u2019una se t\u2019ofereixen. Sempre he trobat que una bona manera de saber si tot rutlla o no consisteix a comprovar que, fins i tot durant el proc\u00e9s d\u2019escriptura, passen coses. Per exemple, el final d\u2019aquest llibre [Els anells de Saturn] tracta sobre la seda, i aquesta secci\u00f3, al seu torn, acaba amb unes quantes p\u00e0gines dedicades a la cultura del dol. Doncs el mateix dia que vaig acabar d\u2019escriure aquesta part, vaig llegir \u2014crec que al <em>Times<\/em>\u2014 les efem\u00e8rides del dia, i hi vaig trobar tots els esdeveniments que necessitava. Ja saps qu\u00e8 vull dir: la llista del que va passar un dia concret de fa cent trenta o dos-cents vint anys. I tots van encaixar en el text, com si hagu\u00e9s estat escrivint en aquesta direcci\u00f3. Va ser for\u00e7a sorprenent. S\u00f3n coses que de vegades passen i, quan passen, \u00e9s molt gratificant.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cuomo: <\/strong><em>Aquest proc\u00e9s s\u2019assembla al que descrius en la novel\u00b7la: s\u2019esdev\u00e9 quelcom inexplicable; no sabem ben b\u00e9 qu\u00e8 fer-ne, per\u00f2 el fet hagi pogut tenir lloc sembla que cont\u00e9 un significat enorme.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Sebald: <\/strong>S\u00ed. Crec que t\u00e9 a veure amb la casualitat, que \u00e9s molt important en la meva obra (espero que no d\u2019una manera excessiva). Al primer llibre <em>Schwindel. Gef\u00fchle<\/em> [Vertigen], hi \u00e9s molt evident. Ni les explicacions parapsicol\u00f2giques, ni les teories de Jung sobre el subjecte m\u2019han acabat mai de fer el pes. Les trobo for\u00e7a tedioses. Ara b\u00e9, vaig voler posar un exemple que il\u00b7lustr\u00e9s que d\u2019alguna manera necessitem donar sentit a la nostra exist\u00e8ncia absurda. Coneixes alg\u00fa que va n\u00e9ixer el mateix dia que tu: les probabilitats eren d\u2019una entre tres-centes seixanta cinc, tampoc n\u2019hi ha per a tant. Per\u00f2 si aquesta persona t\u2019agrada, aleshores immediatament aquesta casualitat sembla m\u00e9s important&#8230; I constru\u00efm sobre aquesta base. Crec que tots els nostres sistemes filos\u00f2fics, tots els nostres sistemes de creences, totes les interpretacions, fins i tot els mons tecnol\u00f2gics, estan constru\u00efts aix\u00ed per tal d\u2019obtenir alguna mena de sentit, encara que tots sabem que no n\u2019hi ha.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>Joseph Cuomo ha completat fa poc la seva primera novel\u00b7la. Tamb\u00e9 \u00e9s el director de les Queens College Evening Readings, que va fundar al 1976.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>JOSEPH CUOMO Edici\u00f3 de Lynne Sharon Schwartz. Seven Stories Press. 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